LHCb long term plans beyond the current upgrade

HL-LHC can provide up to 2×1034 Hz cm−2 instantaneous luminosity to LHCb without signifi- cant loses for the other interaction points at the LHC ring, and be able to integrate up to 300 fb−1 before the insertion magnets need replacement. There is a clear and strong physics case for an LHCb second upgrade (LHCb phase 2 upgrade) during the long shutdown currently scheduled in 2030. Very rare decays, or exotic searches are limited by statistics. Some of the most interesting CKM measurements are not limited by systematic uncertainties. Some of the improved detector technologies needed for this second upgrade, and other ideas discussed in these proceedings, could already be implemented during the long shutdown in 2024-2025 (LHCb phase 1b upgrade).