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Formal comment on: Myhrvold (2016) Dinosaur metabolism and the allometry of maximum growth rate. PLoS ONE; 11(11): e0163205

In his 2016 paper, Myhrvold criticized ours from 2014 on maximum growth rates (G(max), maximum gain in body mass observed within a time unit throughout an individual’s ontogeny) and thermoregulation strategies (ectothermy, endothermy) of 17 dinosaurs. In our paper, we showed that G(max) values of si...

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Autores principales: Griebeler, Eva Maria, Werner, Jan
Formato: Online Artículo Texto
Lenguaje:English
Publicado: Public Library of Science 2018
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Acceso en línea:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5830040/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29489816
http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0184756
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description In his 2016 paper, Myhrvold criticized ours from 2014 on maximum growth rates (G(max), maximum gain in body mass observed within a time unit throughout an individual’s ontogeny) and thermoregulation strategies (ectothermy, endothermy) of 17 dinosaurs. In our paper, we showed that G(max) values of similar-sized extant ectothermic and endothermic vertebrates overlap. This strongly questions a correct assignment of a thermoregulation strategy to a dinosaur only based on its G(max) and (adult) body mass (M). Contrary, G(max) separated similar-sized extant reptiles and birds (Sauropsida) and G(max) values of our studied dinosaurs were similar to those seen in extant similar-sized (if necessary scaled-up) fast growing ectothermic reptiles. Myhrvold examined two hypotheses (H1 and H2) regarding our study. However, we did neither infer dinosaurian thermoregulation strategies from group-wide averages (H1) nor were our results based on that G(max) and metabolic rate (MR) are related (H2). In order to assess whether single dinosaurian G(max) values fit to those of extant endotherms (birds) or of ectotherms (reptiles), we already used a method suggested by Myhrvold to avoid H1, and we only discussed pros and cons of a relation between G(max) and MR and did not apply it (H2). We appreciate Myhrvold’s efforts in eliminating the correlation between G(max) and M in order to statistically improve vertebrate scaling regressions on maximum gain in body mass. However, we show here that his mass-specific maximum growth rate (kC) replacing G(max) (= MkC) does not model the expected higher mass gain in larger than in smaller species for any set of species. We also comment on, why we considered extant reptiles and birds as reference models for extinct dinosaurs and why we used phylogenetically-informed regression analysis throughout our study. Finally, we question several arguments given in Myhrvold in order to support his results.
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spelling pubmed-58300402018-03-19 Formal comment on: Myhrvold (2016) Dinosaur metabolism and the allometry of maximum growth rate. PLoS ONE; 11(11): e0163205 Griebeler, Eva Maria Werner, Jan PLoS One Formal Comment In his 2016 paper, Myhrvold criticized ours from 2014 on maximum growth rates (G(max), maximum gain in body mass observed within a time unit throughout an individual’s ontogeny) and thermoregulation strategies (ectothermy, endothermy) of 17 dinosaurs. In our paper, we showed that G(max) values of similar-sized extant ectothermic and endothermic vertebrates overlap. This strongly questions a correct assignment of a thermoregulation strategy to a dinosaur only based on its G(max) and (adult) body mass (M). Contrary, G(max) separated similar-sized extant reptiles and birds (Sauropsida) and G(max) values of our studied dinosaurs were similar to those seen in extant similar-sized (if necessary scaled-up) fast growing ectothermic reptiles. Myhrvold examined two hypotheses (H1 and H2) regarding our study. However, we did neither infer dinosaurian thermoregulation strategies from group-wide averages (H1) nor were our results based on that G(max) and metabolic rate (MR) are related (H2). In order to assess whether single dinosaurian G(max) values fit to those of extant endotherms (birds) or of ectotherms (reptiles), we already used a method suggested by Myhrvold to avoid H1, and we only discussed pros and cons of a relation between G(max) and MR and did not apply it (H2). We appreciate Myhrvold’s efforts in eliminating the correlation between G(max) and M in order to statistically improve vertebrate scaling regressions on maximum gain in body mass. However, we show here that his mass-specific maximum growth rate (kC) replacing G(max) (= MkC) does not model the expected higher mass gain in larger than in smaller species for any set of species. We also comment on, why we considered extant reptiles and birds as reference models for extinct dinosaurs and why we used phylogenetically-informed regression analysis throughout our study. Finally, we question several arguments given in Myhrvold in order to support his results. Public Library of Science 2018-02-28 /pmc/articles/PMC5830040/ /pubmed/29489816 http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0184756 Text en © 2018 Griebeler, Werner http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ This is an open access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/) , which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original author and source are credited.
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Formal comment on: Myhrvold (2016) Dinosaur metabolism and the allometry of maximum growth rate. PLoS ONE; 11(11): e0163205
title Formal comment on: Myhrvold (2016) Dinosaur metabolism and the allometry of maximum growth rate. PLoS ONE; 11(11): e0163205
title_full Formal comment on: Myhrvold (2016) Dinosaur metabolism and the allometry of maximum growth rate. PLoS ONE; 11(11): e0163205
title_fullStr Formal comment on: Myhrvold (2016) Dinosaur metabolism and the allometry of maximum growth rate. PLoS ONE; 11(11): e0163205
title_full_unstemmed Formal comment on: Myhrvold (2016) Dinosaur metabolism and the allometry of maximum growth rate. PLoS ONE; 11(11): e0163205
title_short Formal comment on: Myhrvold (2016) Dinosaur metabolism and the allometry of maximum growth rate. PLoS ONE; 11(11): e0163205
title_sort formal comment on: myhrvold (2016) dinosaur metabolism and the allometry of maximum growth rate. plos one; 11(11): e0163205
topic Formal Comment
url https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5830040/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29489816
http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0184756
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